Diesel Tuning/Bosch Servicing

[Regal]

We have had alot of questions regarding, what is the difference between our software remaps and a generic plug in box type tuning tool.

With (for arguements sake) a tuning box you are simply intercepting the singnals from the ecu to simply pump more fuel into the car in order to go faster. While you may see good gains from this method...you can hardly call it 'Tuning'...

Our Phase 1 on a 1.9CDTi sees 210 bhp and 325 ft/lb of torque and incorporates EDS's 'customer safe' engine protection which gives an even better then stock level of engine protection.

This includes...

- Throttle restriction when cold (below 60°C water temp)
- Throttle restriction when hot (above 110°C water temp)
- Throttle restriction when intake air exceeds 80°C
- More requent than stock soot filter purging, to increase this expensive part's service life, which can be destroyed very quickly otherwise.
- Fuel pressure and temperature monitoring
- EGT Circuit delete, to prevent 'butterfly stick' from dirty, sooty recirculated exhaust gas.

Our software offers the ultimate engine protection on the market - no one else comes close...while also giving strong, reliable power right from 1000rpm till the red line.

To keep your common rail diesel in perfect shape we also are now Bosch diesel injector specialists, aswell as a full Bosch Service Center.

With all the latest Bosch diesel diagnosis tooling -

http://www.vag-tuner.com/vauxhall/diesel/Bosch_tooling/DSC_0176.JPG


http://www.vag-tuner.com/vauxhall/diesel/Bosch_tooling/DSC_01788.JPG

http://www.vag-tuner.com/vauxhall/diesel/Bosch_tooling/DSC_0180.JPG

If you wish to go further with your CDTi, we also offer large front mount intercooler kits and big turbo upgrades, give us a call to discuss assembling a kit to suit your needs ;)

[dap]

I think this information, and data gathered by ourselves over the last 12months will see people thinking twice about tuning boxes.

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This photo was taken from a Boxed diesel Vectra that was run frequently on an Autobahn and regular Dyno runs.

The boxes over ride the safeties on Dynos, thats why results are always so good, the reason so many people get away with no damage in the Uk is because they dont get chance to really drive the car hard.

Like said above Boxes only change one thing, A remap takes into account injection timing, boost demand , pre combustion chamber mix and temperature etc.

We are starting to see more prematurely wearing engines in the diesel market.

Cheap and cheerful is costly in the long run.

an engine like the above cost 4k to fix

[michael parkes]

nice info dave,but will mister pawley be happy with your comments:o

[gadge]

Does this only apply to diesel engines? The damage as dap mentioned above that is...

[michael parkes]

think it effects diesels ,most petrol remaps have safety elements built in to them:lol:

[dap]

nice info dave,but will mister pawley be happy with your comments:o

It makes no difference,Andrew makes a very good living out of it, and so do some of the dealers.

this is all background info that is far more important than just numbers on a sheet of paper.

Ive tried these boxes on a number of vehicles and whilst effective ive seen lots of issues under hard use which I dont see with mapping, if I thought they were so good Id be selling them, I would make more money !!!!! but I aint in it just for the Money !!

Regal have invested lots of money and time in things diesel related because its becoming more common and important more cars out there to cover.

But the scary one is this,

I heard of a dealer telling a friend and I qoute ' the good thing about boxes is you can take them off to get a warranty claim through, and also you dont have to tell insurance, because its removable '

My friend works for lloyds insurance

[michael parkes]

It makes no difference,Andrew makes a very good living out of it, and so do some of the dealers.

this is all background info that is far more important than just numbers on a sheet of paper.

Ive tried these boxes on a number of vehicles and whilst effective ive seen lots of issues under hard use which I dont see with mapping, if I thought they were so good Id be selling them, I would make more money !!!!! but I aint in it just for the Money !!

Regal have invested lots of money and time in things diesel related because its becoming more common and important more cars out there to cover.

But the scary one is this,

I heard of a dealer telling a friend and I qoute ' the good thing about boxes is you can take them off to get a warranty claim through, and also you dont have to tell insurance, because its removable '

My friend works for lloyds insurance

very true words dave,the scary thing is i heard a tuner at pvs telling people that if they had any problems take the map off and take the car back to the dealers(think thats fraud) vauxhall ain't that stupid have also heard that they are also going to be testing oil from problem cars:!: at the end of the day they are not going to pay for warrenty claims for re-mapped cars.

[Aussie]

very true words dave,the scary thing is i heard a tuner at pvs telling people that if they had any problems take the map off and take the car back to the dealers(think thats fraud)

:lol:

over their broadcast system mind you while someone in a high position i would say in Vauxhall just happened to be standing near by and heard it also :roll:

People are going to be in for a big shock very shortly trying to pull off warrenty claims by removing software upgrades, not as invisable as many think!

[jalfrezigazee]

have also heard that they are also going to be testing oil from problem cars

that's been going on for years, I saw quite a few cars have oil samples when I was a VX mechanic about 15 years ago

[Daz5182]

:lol:

over their broadcast system mind you while someone in a high position i would say in Vauxhall just happened to be standing near by and heard it also :roll:

People are going to be in for a big shock very shortly trying to pull off warrenty claims by removing software upgrades, not as invisable as many think!

this is true, it is only a matter of time before there is a way of finding if the software has been tampered with, there must be a way of finding when it was last altered/updated etc.....

The only way round this is using a vauxhall approved tuner with a comprehensive warranty..... TMS lead on this with 3 years and being an approved centre, it is about time the others followed suit, i for one am sceptical about reliability when modding cars....

[michael parkes]

this is true, it is only a matter of time before there is a way of finding if the software has been tampered with, there must be a way of finding when it was last altered/updated etc.....

The only way round this is using a vauxhall approved tuner with a comprehensive warranty..... TMS lead on this with 3 years and being an approved centre, it is about time the others followed suit, i for one am sceptical about reliability when modding cars....


daz they can find out already:!::!::!:

[dap]

Well I wont be offering a 3 year warranty Im afraid and I doubt others will do either Tms are unique like this and hats off to them .

But it doesnt mean the others are offering inferior products or services.

It is joint responsibilty between owner and Tuner, For the Tuner to give good product and service, the owner or customer to look after the car and not rely on warranty to fix it which is what a high percentage do..

Example is the customer who runs his Astra VXR on low fuel load, engine melts a piston , customer goes to tuner, tuner reads the faults and failure ,log, oops , misfire detected ,engine speed 6650 rpm . fuel level 1 litre, speed ,243 kmh.
Total lack of mechanical sympathy !! No warranty from Tuner or dealer period

Tech 2 tells us everything we need to know and that in itself is a guarantee.

[Daz5182]

daz they can find out already:!::!::!:

yeah i thought they might be able to, i assume the ECU contains a HDD so it will leave traces of updates etc...

It would not be too hard for vuaxhall to introduce a system that checks for this when cars are in for service.

[Daz5182]

Well I wont be offering a 3 year warranty Im afraid and I doubt others will do either Tms are unique like this and hats off to them .

But it doesnt mean the others are offering inferior products or services.

It is joint responsibilty between owner and Tuner, For the Tuner to give good product and service, the owner or customer to look after the car and not rely on warranty to fix it which is what a high percentage do..

Example is the customer who runs his Astra VXR on low fuel load, engine melts a piston , customer goes to tuner, tuner reads the faults and failure ,log, oops , misfire detected ,engine speed 6650 rpm . fuel level 1 litre, speed ,243 kmh.
Total lack of mechanical sympathy !! No warranty from Tuner or dealer period

Tech 2 tells us everything we need to know and that in itself is a guarantee.

Please don't think that i was infering that the product that is offered is inferiour, as i know that it is not the case, i was just stating that the warranty offered by TMS is applaudable and offers piece of mind for the customer and may sway people when deciding who to go and see.

[ABYSS]

nice info dave,but will mister pawley be happy with your comments:o

Hi Michael,

I welcome threads like this as its shows that buying cheap resistor type systems can cause serious problems down the line.

All DTUK systems are produced using the latest circuitry and components from a highly respected manufacturer of TuV approved systems in Germany.

In all walks of life there are different quailty items available, including re-maps..

As far as re-mapping of diesels go i personally dont think you can beat EDS..

If you check our ebay, how many people are now offering re-maps from £200.00? would you trust them????? I know i wouldnt..

I always advise customers to spend at least £4-500 on a re-map and stay away from the generic files that are flooding the re-map market.

Since 2005 DTUK has sold in excess of 2500 systems in the UK with 70% of them being sold to Vauxhall CDTI owners, and touch wood we've had no problems like Dave has mentioned.

This is down to us using quality systems which are all TuV approved which im sure Dave would agree is one of the most stringent tests in Europe.

There is a place in the market for both re-maps and High Quality tuning boxes, like everything else you only get what you pay for... just keep away from cheap rubbish and you should be fine :)


Andrew

[michael parkes]

Hi Michael,

I welcome threads like this as its shows that buying cheap resistor type systems can cause serious problems down the line.

All DTUK systems are produced using the latest circuitry and components from a highly respected manufacturer of TuV approved systems in Germany.

In all walks of life there are different quailty items available, including re-maps..

As far as re-mapping of diesels go i personally dont think you can beat EDS..

If you check our ebay, how many people are now offering re-maps from £200.00? would you trust them????? I know i wouldnt..

I always advise customers to spend at least £4-500 on a re-map and stay away from the generic files that are flooding the re-map market.

Since 2005 DTUK has sold in excess of 2500 systems in the UK with 70% of them being sold to Vauxhall CDTI owners, and touch wood we've had no problems like Dave has mentioned.

This is down to us using quality systems which are all TuV approved which im sure Dave would agree is one of the most stringent tests in Europe.

There is a place in the market for both re-maps and High Quality tuning boxes, like everything else you only get what you pay for... just keep away from cheap rubbish and you should be fine :)


Andrew



hi andy i was not implying that your systems were of cheap quality,just thought the post may sway people away from tuning boxes:confused:

[ABYSS]

hi andy i was not implying that your systems were of cheap quality,just thought the post may sway people away from tuning boxes:confused:

I know you were'nt mate :p

What i was trying to say was that in everything in life there is rubbish out there, as well as good stuff which covers re-maps as well as boxes :)

[timmee]

The only way round this is using a vauxhall approved tuner with a comprehensive warranty..

there is no tuner out there that are vauxhall approved

[stevenandalex]

Talking of tuning are you CS3 yet.:)

[jalfrezigazee]

Example is the customer who runs his Astra VXR on low fuel load, engine melts a piston , customer goes to tuner, tuner reads the faults and failure ,log, oops , misfire detected ,engine speed 6650 rpm . fuel level 1 litre, speed ,243 kmh.
Total lack of mechanical sympathy !! No warranty from Tuner or dealer period

Tech 2 tells us everything we need to know and that in itself is a guarantee.

Do you know where the information for the amount of fuel comes from? My car regularly says please refuel when I have half a tank as the fuel computer gets confused when the range gets to zero. I fill the petrol tanks about once every 6k miles and the range gradually goes wrong. If this info is wrong then readings on my ecu may be wrong too. Only have to add about 2 more litres for the range to be corrected though

[timmee]

Talking of tuning are you CS3 yet.:)

oh yes indeedy

[stevenandalex]

oh yes indeedy
8)8)