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    Quote Originally Posted by w20adm View Post
    This is a point I made the other day. These latest super hatch's from audi etc. Or even a gtr. You just strap in and steer ..... car pretty much drives you ...
    You've not driven a single one of them have you, yep thought not lol

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    Are you honestly saying the way they drive Is going to be as connected as back in the day? .... I can't say I've driven one, but I've driven older cars, and I've driven my relatively new (well in terms) astra and can tell a distinct difference. Electronic throttles etc. Refinement gets more and more with each passing year, and even the reviews sat anybody can drive them. It's blatantly a more disconnected feeling. Because at the end of the day most people in the market just want a comfortable space to get from A to B. I may not be a road tester, but it's obvious.
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    Iíve owned a 2.8 Capri, Renault 5 turbo, 3 escort RS turbos a escort cosworth, 2 sapphire cosworths and a fiesta turbo and in there day were comfortable fast and so much fun, I know newer cars can be as much fun if they allow you to turn all the gadgets off but donít get the same buzz from them
    But if I won the lottery Iím sure my garage would be full of modern fast cars but a few older classics too, end of the day it all comes down to how deep your pockets are and whether you want all out speed or comfort as when you mix the 2 the car usually becomes more watered down and very boring


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    Quote Originally Posted by w20adm View Post
    Are you honestly saying the way they drive Is going to be as connected as back in the day? .... I can't say I've driven one, but I've driven older cars, and I've driven my relatively new (well in terms) astra and can tell a distinct difference. Electronic throttles etc. Refinement gets more and more with each passing year, and even the reviews sat anybody can drive them. It's blatantly a more disconnected feeling. Because at the end of the day most people in the market just want a comfortable space to get from A to B. I may not be a road tester, but it's obvious.
    There's plenty of new cars that connect, you just have to go find them, if you can't see that we're in another golden age of Hatches and I mean that from the warm right through to hot and super hatches.

    I drive 2 cars regularly, a nice comfy 330d M Sport, that does a great job of comforting you from long trips, my other car as you know isn't designed for that you have to compromise the slightly stiff ride, but every drive is an event, every corner provides grip and feel that isn't there on the 330d, if you think that your car "connects" more on a B road then you'd be so wrong, if anything the car that's stiff on the commute comes alive and goads you to drive it properly.

    But then you never could feel the benefit of an LSD on the VXR so it does beg the question where the disconnection really is

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    Cars today more stuff is worked out for you before you even get a response from the loud pedal, fancy diffs, electronic aids. It's like driving a committee, we'll decide whether you can have what you asked for, but don't fret, if something goes wrong we'll introduce a safety feature that stops you spinning out. There's a reason people say fast cars today can literally be driven by anybody lol. And yes , I found my quaife diff did nothing I could feel noticeable.

    We're not in a "golden age" as far as I can see. We're in an expensive techno age, and one where hot hatches are becoming minor supercars which are out of reach of most people, which is against what the whole original concept of what a hot hatch was affordable performance motoring

    Suppose it's why PCP is all the rage in this day and age ...... I least I can pretend to own one for a couple of years, despite my money going to the dealers every month
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    Quote Originally Posted by w20adm View Post
    Cars today more stuff is worked out for you before you even get a response from the loud pedal, fancy diffs, electronic aids. It's like driving a committee, we'll decide whether you can have what you asked for, but don't fret, if something goes wrong we'll introduce a safety feature that stops you spinning out. There's a reason people say fast cars today can literally be driven by anybody lol. And yes , I found my quaife diff did nothing I could feel noticeable.

    We're not in a "golden age" as far as I can see. We're in an expensive techno age, and one where hot hatches are becoming minor supercars which are out of reach of most people, which is against what the whole original concept of what a hot hatch was affordable performance motoring

    Suppose it's why PCP is all the rage in this day and age ...... I least I can pretend to own one for a couple of years, despite my money going to the dealers every month
    Couldnít agree more with all of that.

    As for the diff part, I donít think the Quaife is all that. Running one in my 460bhp GSi. Sort of works but not really. Got a custom spec plated gripper race diff to go in. Should be much better. Reason being I had a go in a Corsa NŁrburgring a while back, exactly the same power as our Corsa VXR but with standard diff, and the difference was unreal. Huge huge difference, as I believe the NŁrburgring diff is a plated Drexler diff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by w20adm View Post
    Cars today more stuff is worked out for you before you even get a response from the loud pedal, fancy diffs, electronic aids. It's like driving a committee, we'll decide whether you can have what you asked for, but don't fret, if something goes wrong we'll introduce a safety feature that stops you spinning out. There's a reason people say fast cars today can literally be driven by anybody lol. And yes , I found my quaife diff did nothing I could feel noticeable.

    We're not in a "golden age" as far as I can see. We're in an expensive techno age, and one where hot hatches are becoming minor supercars which are out of reach of most people, which is against what the whole original concept of what a hot hatch was affordable performance motoring

    Suppose it's why PCP is all the rage in this day and age ...... I least I can pretend to own one for a couple of years, despite my money going to the dealers every month
    You always default to PCP but I own my car outright so I'm not a PCP'er - an Escort Cosworth in 92 would be £42k in todays money - very comparable considering the uplift in gadgets to be fair
    Argument keep crumbling away...

    You should go for some test drives it would open your mind regardless of whether you want to buy one or not.

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    No all I mean is pcp is all the rage because there's no other way most people can experience one.

    I certainly can't shell out 50k on an audi

    We're simply gonna have to agree to disagree modern cars are simply more disconnected. Cause that's what most people want, to be in a car that does it all for you. The less the better. It'll all finish in driverless cars, then it's all well and truly dead ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by w20adm View Post
    No all I mean is pcp is all the rage because there's no other way most people can experience one.

    I certainly can't shell out 50k on an audi

    We're simply gonna have to agree to disagree modern cars are simply more disconnected. Cause that's what most people want, to be in a car that does it all for you. The less the better. It'll all finish in driverless cars, then it's all well and truly dead ....
    Hence why people who move on seem to always come crawling back!

    I keep thinking of flogging mine and can't because I know I'll end up doing the same


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