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    Default so with the days in of internal combustion numbered ....

    It's official, the days of the internal combustion are numbered. Germany are to stop producing internal combustion engines by 2030, the rest of Europe to follow suit by 2040.

    So what does this mean? ....., a main stay of the auto world for well over a century. How can we take any of the cars released over the next decade seriously if we know a few years later it's basis is gonna be obsolete?

    What will happen to the values of appreciating classics powered by petrol, will their values just plummet down to earth like an 80's cassette tape player or vcr?

    What will happen to the all powerful oil Arab states when one of its biggest draws are no longer needed?

    I sense big changes a comin ....... thoughts?
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    Why do you think they will be obsolete after 2030, the petrol companies have too much investigate into producing petrol

    Come 2030, it will not be a mass change of cars from petrol to other forms of transport
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    All cars age, disappear one by one. How many 70's cars do you see now compared to when they were new in the 70's? But still the ones that do survive can be used because internal combustion is still the currently produced mass market medium for cars. But as the years with no more IC engine production go by and the existing models fall further into the age abyss it stands to reason eventually petrol production will no longer be financially feasible. It's only a matter of time surely.

    Especially in an era when the vast majority of car "owners" just lease cars for 3 years then get a new one. Who's gonna want a petrol powered car when there's no more new ones.
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    Way things are going, you'll just have an automated electric vehicle and you wont be driving it as will be deemed unsafe

    Goodbye to freedom of movement
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    Floating highways sit back and relax ....
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    Could not think of anything more boring. More time for people to get absorbed into social media and end up with more issues and opinions on what else is no longer socially acceptable ........ bit like usual day just on another scale lol
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    Amen to that ......
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    Quote Originally Posted by vr55vxr View Post
    Why do you think they will be obsolete after 2030, the petrol companies have too much investigate into producing petrol

    Come 2030, it will not be a mass change of cars from petrol to other forms of transport
    Yep agreed, slow integration and more hybrid than all out electric, plus if you see what Mazda are bringing out you might think the ICE is here for a good while yet.
    From last reckoning we'd need to produce another 3rd of the electricity we currently do just to charge cars up - the capacity for that isn't there and we all know how long it takes to build a Power Station lol

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    Still 10 years of innovation to come yet, and the closer the deadline gets the more pressure engineers are put under to produce an alternative ...... think of all the innovation of the last 10 years .....
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    It's incredibly naive and shortsighted for governments to impose these ideas without understanding the technology. There are a few reasons why a complete switch to electric vehicles in 2030/2040 won't be feasible or will be a stupid idea:

    Emissions: Despite how green the media and car companies would have you believe electric cars are, in the UK, over 50% of the electrical energy we produce comes from fossil fuels. Sure, power stations can burn fuels more efficiently, but that efficiency is lost because you lose about 15% energy as heat when you charge the batteries and another 15% when the batteries are discharged to power the car. The emissions are taken out of the cities which is a good thing, but does nothing for climate change. Until we can produce more energy from renewable and nuclear, our emissions will remain about the same.

    Power Grid: It's estimated that by 2030, we'll need an extra 18GW of power to charge our electric cars. Most of this power will be demanded at peak times already when people arrive home from work. All this extra power and yet no infrastructure improvement has been set out by our government.

    Battery Tech: We are pretty much at the limit of energy density in lithium ion/polymer batteries, yet the range of electric cars is notoriously poor. Range figures given are always best case scenarios which don't account for driving with lights on, cabin heating, A/C etc. The most important thing which they neglect to tell you is just how much battery capacity decreases with temperature drop. Almost everyone has experienced a struggling battery in the winter. The capacity of a lithium ion battery can almost half from 20C down to -20C. That's half the range for most European countries in the winter.

    Economy: By the time 2030 rolls around, batteries will be considerably more expensive to reproduce. This is because the price of lithium is going up, reserves are going down and finding it is getting harder. It's as if these people think that lithium is an unlimited resource. The UK imports 35% of its total energy. When the countries we import from go electric and they need the electricity, they will charge more for us to import so the price of electricity will go up.

    Charging Points: For a lot of people who live in towns and cities, charging their cars every night will be impractical. What about the people who live in flats? Or the people who have to park on a public road with no reserved space? Are they supposed to run a 50m cable from their house to their car?

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