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    VXRed
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    Hi Guys,

    so I'm currently sat working some overtime after getting 2 buses (cross boroughs requiring 2 bus passes to the cost of £35) and a 30min walk in order to fix the below issues and feel a problem shared is a problem halved so here goes.

    I am new to the VXR scene, my interests used to be performance Japanese cars, but the birth of my 2 children led me to buy a reliable and high MPG car so ended my car interests for a Toyota Yaris which did 70MPG!! the kids got a little older and we got married. my son started getting into cars after me talking him to race courses/drag events and allowing him to beat me on gran turismo on his PS

    so the time came to re-spark my interest but also cater for the family, the misses allowed me to start looking at performance cars again as it was obvious id been longing for power again after 5 years of the Yaris!! but my options or suggestions were not practical. she said about getting a people carrier, my mind straight away thought of the zafira GSI as i used to love them back in the day!!

    internet searches etc eventually pointed me towards a VXR as newer alternative.

    so i started looking. we found one in Oldham from a trader, a little cheaper which fitted our family budget, selling cheap as specialised in the VAG scene it appeared. we travelled from Wigan to test drive it, and with my little mechanical knowledge was happy with the test, nothing shouting at me and drove really well.. nothing shouted at me, 84,000, Arden blue(wife's choice) service history, refurbished gearbox a few years previous, new turbo from Vauxhall 3000 miles previous.

    purchased the vehicle, engine bay looked f***ing clean!! checked the oil when got home and it was pretty much empty, just passed it off as someone not looking after it.
    had it serviced straight away to start looking after my new toy, noticed at this point the oil around the rocker cover, possibly wiped off/hidden for the sale. drove it very sensibly, cool down/warm up of the turbo as per my previous performance car habits.

    after 4 days of happiness it decided to start smoking and was using litres of oil!!
    got it into Vauxhall and had the "health check" they offer.4 local garages turned me away due to the performance nature/difficulty chasing/finding oil leaks.
    spoke with the trader who offered to pay for repairs.

    Vauxhall came up with £4000 worth of faults!!! i only paid 3300!!
    I removed all the amber areas of the health and it still came back as £2900!!

    after hours of phone calls with the trader there was no budging on refund or paying the full bill, the phone calls were difficult due to a language barrier, the misses could see the stress it was causing me, so just said accept anything he offers and we will sort it as she was worried of any implecations etc of taking it further. He offered me £500 and i sadly accepted this. i did discuss trading standards/sales of good act etc, but didn't seem to phase him, i can now see some alarm signals such as i didn't actually know his company name etc, he just kept saying it wasn't like that when i sold it, i doubt i could have broke the valve seals, rocker gasket, turbo oil feed, suspension spring snapped, both driveshafts leaking extensively, cracked and damaged turbo back exhaust system. in 4 days!!

    the report didn't actually give me a diagnosis for the oil leaks and smoking, the costing's were to investigate and comment further so i am none the wiser.

    spoke to AS autocare in widnes as reading about him on here as i felt the symptoms were valve stem seals and a rocker cover gasket. i have booked in for a weeks time for driveshaft seals, rocker gasket and valve seals, i am so nervous he finds more or something serious to explain the leaks/smoking.

    i am now broken mentally and financially, iv only just bought the car and will paying the fixes with the small refund from the trader and whats left from my wages etc.

    hope for the best and will keep this post updated.
    i am looking forward to making this car a decent example and sure with andys help this may be possible.

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    The quote you were given to put everything right is quite frankly, a p*** take. Find yourself a vaux specialist for anything you donít want to do yourself, but stay well clear of stealerships.

    You need to consider that nearly everything youíve mentioned are common issues due to general wear and tear. It was no doubt £3.3k for a reason. It needed some TLC.

    At that millage, I would have been asking for proof of the stem seals being done. But a little research on a forum like this before you bought it could have saved you a massive headache and a lot of worry. All is not lost though, far from it.

    Oil return from turbo is a DIY job, look on eBay and get your hands dirty.

    If cam cover gasket it dried out and leaking, get it changed when you have new stem seals and retainers fitted. Itís got to come off anyway and the garage will probably just charge you for the gasket. Or just do it yourself, ten to fifteen minute job at best.

    If your exhaust is goosed, again, have a look on eBay for a used one in decent condition and get a mate to help you replace it.

    Other things to consider. Is it still on its original clutch, has the timing belt been replaced, are the shocks, brake discs and pads still up to the job?

    These are all questions Iíd have been asking and/or checking. Hindsight is a b*tch but hey ho. Another way to look at it is you can really make this car your own and do bits as you go along, get acquainted with the car and learn about it. Get the big jobs done first and do the rest yourself.

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    Kings fan thanks for the reply mate. My first proper post on here

    Thanks for your positive comments I believe itís all superficial stuff to fix just hoping the leaks donít point towards more troublesome issues.

    Iv booked in with as auto care in Widnes wigich is about 20mile from me but is spoken of very highly on here. Just gna start working on it and see how we go.

    My friend turned up with his wifeís corsa so thatís save me the bus to work.haha

    My mechanical knowledge for fixing things is very poor but I think with this car Iím goi g to ha e to start learning, I usually work on hearts in my job, so canít be to different

    I like the idea of working towards a decent car that I m ow has been sorted. Going to scan around on here for a guide to checking turbo oil feeds etc and go from there.

    Thanks again mate

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    Good stuff, let us know how you get on with everything. Once you start chipping away at the jobs you can get on with driving and enjoying the thing then 👍🏻

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    Nervous as hell to what he finds, but like you say, a little bit of TLC will help me start to enjoy it, not drive it for 2 weeks now, I am in a friends 1ltr corsa

    one more week till garage appointment

    will keep this post updated

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    I've said to people if buying a car from ANY trader pay at least £100 on a 'credit card' so at least your covered if things go wrong up to £30,000 you can get your money back. Plus by law they can't charge you extra for buying on a credit card. My current car a couple traders said NO credit cards accepted so I avoided them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiden View Post
    I've said to people if buying a car from ANY trader pay at least £100 on a 'credit card' so at least your covered if things go wrong up to £30,000 you can get your money back. Plus by law they can't charge you extra for buying on a credit card. My current car a couple traders said NO credit cards accepted so I avoided them
    The only problem with this is that the card issuer is only liable for the amount of the card transaction i.e. if you make a purchase of say £5000 and £100 is on a card, only £100 is covered on your card.
    You have the same legal rights if buying from a dealer anyway. Just make sure that the dealer has actual premises, is well established and has something to lose if it did turn sour.
    Card companies are notorious for twisting the legal definition of defective goods for used items and will usually involve legal action before they will pay up. You can do that against the dealer and cut out the middle man.
    It's the main reason why I never buy from private buyers or small dealers.
    SAVE THE VXR AND STOP BUYING SUV TOSH!

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    He was a small trader and could see a few alarm bells now I look back. I’m actually less stressed now he’s out my mind. Sales of goods act I believe I could of gone with but the whole business and the way it was ran struck me as dodgy when I look back.

    But hey ho, I tell you one thing, this will never ever happen to me again! A lesson learnt

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    Nope under section 75 of the credit card act the whole item is covered if you paid £100 or more by credit card. So you buy a car for £5000 and paid only £100 by credit card the whole £5000 is covered.

    Ages ago when I had an accident in my corsa and it was being sprayed I asked for some other bits to get done at the same time for £400 and paid on a barclay card. After they messed it up there was a big argument and I wanted a refund. They said no and I said I will take legal action plus i'll be contacting barclays to get my money back. They knew it would be agro so just refunded me so it does work

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    All the issues you have with that bus have not happened in 4 days of ownership, that engine bay had been washed off to hide the oil leaks.

    Common problems on the z20leh engine are and not limited to:

    Rocker cover gasket - Use O.E part only with a small amount of sealant around the half moons only.
    Oil filler cap seal - This can leak oil into the spark plug chambers and cause running issues as the chamber will fill with oil.
    Turbo oil feed - more than likely the gasket on the underside of the turbo leaking replace with Zafira 1.9 cdti version.
    Valve stem seals - Can be done with the head on or off depending on who is doing the job, the cheaper option is with the head on - The cams, cambelt, rocker cover have to come off to do this job so if it turns out its the stem seals, have the rocker cover gasket and cambelt replaced at the same time. As the cambelt runs the water pump it is advised that everytime the cambelt is changed the water pump is also replaced.

    I replaced mine not a month ago and cost me £13 for rocker gasket, £35 for the uprated valve stem oil seals, £40 for the tool to do the job with the head on.

    Breather pipe from block to rocker cover - easy fix, remove the 2 13mm bolts cleans surfaces and refit with a new gasket - this is right next to the oil return pipe from the turbo.

    Signs to look for stem seals - smoking on startup blueish/white smoke but will clear after a short while after pulling away, if parked on lights/junction for a few minutes again will smoke on pulling away - another sign if it's excessive you will see wet oil patches around the manifold gasket on the front of the block but this could also be from either the rocker cover gasket/oil filler cap leaking.

    Turbo seals passing - generally, this will be smoking all the time and more of a white smoke than a blueish one, will be using a lot of oil and if you drop down the pre-cat there will be wet oil deposits in and around the penny valve. As long as the manifold is good the turbo can be re-cored.

    This is just a little info to help you along the road of owning a VXR

    With regards to the snapped spring, it happens on any Vauxhall, if you going to replace one - replace both sides or all four to an aftermarket set.

    Driveshaft seals - Diff housing I'm assuming which will involve draining the gearbox of oil. If they do make sure they use 75w 80 millers or the like and fill to 2.8 litres.
    If it's the C.V boots then they have perished from general wear and tear, easy to replace just a dirty job and time-consuming.

    There are no companies now that make an exhaust for the Zafira Vxr off the shelf, the pre-cat and main cat are the same as the Astra Vxr, anything cat back is custom only unless you can find a good used one - There are some cheap middleboxes out there but I wouldn't waste my money on them.

    If you need any advice on anything relating to your bus them pm me and I will help as much as possible.

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